Now that the Labour party caucus has castigated the people concerned, and some MPs have been sin-binned, and it might be possible to be heard above the rapidly subsiding roar, I’m going to add my tuppence worth.
For people reading in Australia and further afield, New Zealand has been having its very own little ministerial and MPs expenses scandal. But being New Zealand, it’s all very small beer. No moat cleaning or duck houses or pricey toasters as there were in the UK. In NZ, it’s been a matter of ministers having a few drinks on the taxpayers’ tab, or getting a massage, or putting some purchases on the Crown plastic instead of a personal one (notably some golf clubs and a bike). Even then, the money was refunded almost before the bill came due, but the minister in question nevertheless thought that the taxpayer was a jolly good source of short term credit.
The biggest offence seems to have been one minister who spent his lonely nights in hotels watching pay-per-view porn, and putting it on the Crown tab. Again, it was all repaid, well before the minister left office, and several years before the press got wind of it. He tried in the first instance to pretend that he was just a movie buff, but when a little bit of press digging revealed that his movies cost $19.95 each (the standard price for porn) and regular movies cost $14.95 each, he had to change his tune. To his credit, when his cover was blown he fronted the press, admitted his misdeeds, made his apologies, and asked for forgiveness.
The issue in the NZ press and the NZ blogosphere has been whether or not it is appropriate to put private expenditure on taxpayer funded credit cards, even if the private expenditure is subsequently repaid. The answer is no. I agree with that answer.
Everyone has very very carefully said that watching porn is not an issue. Oh no, what a person does in the privacy of their own room is their business and its private and there’s no public interest in poking our noses in there and people’s sexuality is their own affair.
Hmmm….
In general, New Zealanders aren’t really concerned with what consenting adults do. Some politicians have been pilloried for hypocrisy – for example, Don Brash, who allowed himself to be portrayed as supporting traditional family values, but had an affair on the side – but usually, the New Zealand press gallery don’t report on pollies’ private affairs, unless they begin to think that those private affairs are having a public effect. Even then, they err on the side of caution. New Zealanders have happily elected gay and lesbian and transgender MPs. Sex and sexuality is very much regarded as a politician’s own business, thank the FSM.
However, I think that watching porn could be an issue.
I see two potential problems with porn. The first is to do with the extent to which it involves consenting adults, and the second is to do with the narrative about women that it may contain. Because porn may not involve consenting adults, and because porn may portray demeaning ideas about women, it is ethically risky. Not necessarily ethically wrong, but ethically risky.
Please be very clear about the distinctions I’m making here. I am not saying that porn infringes against morality. If morality consists in precepts about who is permitted to have sex, and in what position, and with whom, then I’m just not interested. Take your tired shibboleths, do what you will with them, in the privacy of your own bedroom, and stay away from mine. And anyone else’s. Really, just f*ck off.
I’m also not saying that watching porn is necessarily wrong. Rather, I’m saying that it is risky. It may be that the porn that you are watching does not involve consenting adults. And that’s a problem.
Remember that the gold standard in sexual activity is consenting adults. It’s not just the gold standard – it’s the minimum standard. If the porn you are watching is not made by consenting adults, then you are watching rape. You may not be getting your rocks off by watching rape, that is, by participating vicariously in scenes depicting rape, but your jollies come at the expense of the actors in the scene. Because that’s what they are. Actors. Those big smiles, the sounds and words of consent and delight: they’re an act. Just because the actors look like they want to be doing what they’re doing, doesn’t mean that their consent is real.
Equally, it doesn’t mean that the actors haven’t consented either. Just as plenty of sex workers say that they enjoy sex work, and it’s something they freely choose to do (see for example, this great post from Hexy: Accessories, Australian sex workers, and Sheila Jeffreys and Claire Finch’s story in The Guardian: I ran a brothel in a country village), plenty of actors in porn are happy to do the work. But just as plenty of sex workers are cruelly exploited, trapped into sex slavery, plenty of performers in porn movies are forced into it. And if you think Linda Lovelace was the only person ever forced into performing in porn, then I’ve got a very nice bridge that crosses Sydney Harbour that I’d like to sell to you. As a viewer, you just don’t know whether the actors you are watching have consented, and are continuing to consent, to perform in the movie, or whether they never consented, or consented initially, and then withdrew their consent. If they have not consented, if they have withdrawn their consent, then what you are watching is rape. That’s why porn is ethically risky.
Even if all the actors participating in the movie consented, and you’re sure about that, then there’s still the problem with the narratives contained in porn. Porn contains narratives that suggest that underage girls want sex (“barely legal” movies, using actors of legal age, but made up and dressed to look adolescent), that women like being raped, that the only way sex should end is with a money shot all over a woman’s face. They are narratives of aggression and derision towards woman. Domestic and Laboratory Goddess Dr Isis has a great post about the aggression towards women in porn, complete with edited photos. Go take look, unless you’re my mum or Ms Eleven, in which case do yourself a favour, and don’t look. Those narratives disturb me. Sure, it’s only fantasy, but they are fantasies which involve the degradation of human beings.* That makes them, to my mind, ethically risky.
There is at least some porn that is made ethically. Fair trade porn, if you will. No, I’m not going to include links to it in this blog, but if you google say, “feminist porn”, and do a little research and exercise a little judgement, you should be able to come up with some porn that doesn’t involve exploitation of women, and doesn’t contain nasty narratives about women. In other words, take some responsibility for what you’re viewing. Mutatis mutandis, for gay or lesbian or bi or trans or wev, really.
I suppose that given that the minister in question purchased his movies through a hotel, they probably weren’t too extreme. Perhaps that might give us some reassurance, because the business retailing the porn might have taken some care about what it was offering to its customers. However, given what Motella (who’d have thought you could write a blog about motels?) tells us:
Most major hotels seem to offer adult pay movies. Why do they do this? Simply, because their guests demand it AND it generates huge profits! It has been reported that up to 50% of the hotel guests purchase the material and it is estimated that between 70 -80% of the hotel’s in-room profit come from adult movie viewing.
…I wouldn’t be counting on that.**
I think we ought to be worried about pollies purchasing porn on the Crown tab. The reason that we ought to be worried is not because porn is necessarily immoral – it isn’t. If it passes that gold standard consenting adults criterion, then it’s probably okay. Maybe not great, given the concerns about nasty narratives, but almost certainly there are worse transgressions. But it’s ethically risky.
We make ethically risky purchases all the time. I eat chocolate, drink coffee, wear clothes, use a computer and a mobile phone and watch TV. All of these products may be made with child or sweated labour, and I haven’t made the effort to find out. Where I do find out about ethically dubious practices, I sometimes stop buying the product, but even then, it’s not necessarily the best thing to do: “fair trade” is rife with anomalies.
More than that, who manages to live an ethically perfect life all the time? I don’t, even though I do try to get it right. But I am no moral saint. Nor do I expect ministers and other parliamentarians to be moral saints. However, I do expect them to demonstrate a reasonable degree of judgement. They are, after all, in the business of making judgements about how to run the country.
I suppose that I think that porn is more likely to come closer to the point of being ethically wrong, because people may have been harmed in the making of it, because the making of it may be a crime, because it may contain narratives that demean people (I really do recommend reading Dr Isis’ post in respect of this last point). We need to be cautious about porn, to consume it, if that’s your thing, with care and with discretion. And that’s why it may be reasonable to be rather more concerned about ministers who consume porn than we are about ministers who simply consume.
* And those fantasies are pretty minor. I came across some sites while I was researching this post that made me feel nauseously ill. I don’t even want to begin to describe them.
** I’ve not linked directly to the post where Motella makes this claim, but you can go find it for yourself if you like. It’s just not something that I really want to link to from this blog.


Deborah any public servant would get a smack on the hand for charging mini-bar and ‘in house movies’ (porn or otherwise) to their work credit card – even if they paid them back – don’t see why it should be any different for politicians.
awesomely articulated post Deborah, the issue is huge over here and I am concerned about the media beat up over it. my issue is that its overshadowing huge issues in other areas, our local kindergarten association has lost $1.3million in funding for next year from budget cuts, this is totally overshadowed by MP’s stupidity. its really frustrating me that it gets more media air time than other stuff… at least Shane has shown some remorse over his actions, Chris carter has not, and has been sent on leave to sort himself out….
Without wanting to touch the pron issue, can I say that it’s extremely unlikely that you can buy a cellphone made without slave labour and environmental devastation. The issue is the rare earth elements that almost all come from central Africa, usually Congo and surrounds. Part of the reason for the problems in thoise areas is the money available from mining.
The question of outsourced labour is also a much closer parallel to the consent issues in porn – the recent troubles Apple has been having in China cast a little light on the human cost of electronics.
Which leads me to the conclusion that the porn is risky but the electronics you watch it on are a certainty.
Nice analysis Deborah. I would add a little to your conclusion – it’s not just that it is ethically risky, it is also that it is highly personal and deviates from acceptable public behaviour. That distinguishes it from chocolate and iPhones. And adds up to an imperative to keep official money well away from it.
In a sense, I think Chris Carter is guilty of the same sin with his excessive overseas travel with his partner. It is ethically risky, highly personal, and deviates from acceptable public behaviour. And he has paid the price.
As someone who has stayed in hotels for business quite a bit, it can be a real pain to get hotels to separate items which are to be paid by the employer from those which are not. The criteria is different from employer to employer – for example some cover meals, other pay you an allowance separately.
Often you just give the hotel your credit card info at the start of your stay and all you do is receive a receipt under the door the night before you leave and you can just drop the key off in the morning if everything looks ok. The last thing you want to do when trying to leave in the morning is to go through the bill line by line at the very busy front desk.
So I think its quite reasonable for the whole bill to go on the employer’s credit card initially as long as the personal expenses are small. But the employee should pay the portion they are responsible for before the credit card bill is due. Its not like people are needing the short term credit – they have their own credit cards anyway.
The issue of watching porn is not relevant to this particular issue, but may be another issue.
If Shane Jones (or any other MP) had in fact paid for the porn out of his own money in the very beginning and somehow this became public knowledge, how would people be reacting then?
I guess it may be difficult (if not impossible) to determine whether all the participants in any given pornographic DVD or other publication gave their consent. Certainly in this case it probably isn’t. So it is not really possible to discuss this matter with respect to the Shane Jones case. Only in general.
Yes. It’s very hard to discuss the issue without having the particular case in mind, but I have tried to keep the points general rather than specific. That’s why I’ve avoided naming the ministers in my post, ‘though obviously, their names are in the newspaper stories I’ve linked to.
Thanks for your comment, Shane.
The rules in Australia are clear – no personal expenses on Government credit cards. I assume that it is the same in NZ. If you want to watch a movie at the hotel, go and pay for it yourself with your own card. Likewise your mini bar expenses.
This should be one of your entries in next year’s best blog awards.
An excellent and fair analysis Deborah. Shane’s judgment was poor but not simply because of the movies he choose to watch. There’s a little too much purience in the criticism but I really appreciate the way in which you’ve deconstructed the porn element.
I think you put forth a well-articulated argument and I appreciate your points about the risks and the problem of verifying the consent of the participants. I have a problem, however, with the argument about the narratives of porn. Basically you are making a morality judgement about someone’s fantasies. I don’t believe it can be immoral to fantasize about anything. There are strong, feminist women who find fictitious rape scenarios a turn-on. This does not mean they want to be raped, or would ever get any enjoyment out of watching someone be raped. I personally find that type of porn that you call “barely legal”, where young-looking legal age actors are made to look underage, to be absolutely repulsive, but I strongly suspect that you would find some of the things that appeal to me to be equally repulsive. I will state up front that I do watch porn and I do have some concerns about the morality of doing so, mostly because of the consent issues you mention and also because I have doubts about the morality of having sex for money, which is what porn stars are doing, so I am encouraging that by watching. However, my watching porn is absolutely no more or less moral depending on the storyline of the porn. I’m sure there are people out there who were turned on watching the rape scene in the mainstream movie The Accused. That does not make it immoral to watch that movie. Likewise there are tons of mainstream movies that have an overriding message that is sexist or portrays demeaning ideas about women. I may question the morality of the people making those movies if they actually think that way, but there is nothing immoral about watching those movies.
Agree with above comments, excellent analysis Deborah (as ever).
Re Shane Jones, I think what really finished him was his complete lack of remorse over the porn-watching (he did seem sorry over the misuse of credit card issue) – he said that he was a ‘red-blooded dude and wasn’t going to apologise for watching porn’. Sorry, but in one of our nation’s leaders .. yuk.
BTW, Rosemary McLeod, in today’s DomPost, agrees with you, though I thought your analysis was far more sophisticated. http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/opinion/3821500/Dude-ness-no-excuse-for-ignoring-exploitation
Hmmm, I don’t think McLeod’s analysis is much more than the usual actually.
I think it’s fair enough to criticise him but comparing him to Clinton is well beyond reasonable. Clinton had multiple affairs and lied to the public repeatedly. Jones misused his credit card for dubious entertainment, repaid it (which is not irrelevant) and was pretty quickly honest about it even if his rationalisation was questionable.